Posts by Coded Logic

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Are we pro-shunning or against it?

by Simon in

just to continue my theme about religious freedom and how we approach criticizing the wts, i've also been thinking about 'shunning'.. i think shunning is the most unifying complaint that most ex-members of religious groups that practice it have in common.

it is the layer that runs under every other complaint - whatever the reason for leaving it seems "... and i was shunned" can be added to it as the final rap on the charge sheet.. of course it seems like a no-brainer to many of us and we hardly ever stop to really think about it - shunning is bad, the watchtower believes in shunning therefore the watchtower is bad.

they need to stop it.

Coded Logic

There's a huge difference between one individual choosing not to associate with another individual vs. a whole group of people being forced not to associate with that individual.

There's a huge difference between not hanging out with someone because you don't want to vs. not hanging out with someone because you're afraid of being shunned too.

There's a huge difference between being genuinely offended by a persons actions committed against you or your family and choosing not to speak to that person vs. not knowing a person's motives or actions and being told to shun them anyway.

There's a difference between avoiding someone out of legitimate safety concerns vs. blackballing someone for imagined or arbitrary crimes.

Shunning by itself isn't "good" or "bad". It's the motives behind the action and how that action affects well-being/unnecessary-harm that determines if shunning is good or bad.

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The prayer I used to say as a JW

by Coded Logic in

our governing body, who art in brooklyn, .

upon whom our dollar bills do rain.

and new light come.

Coded Logic

Our Governing Body, who art in Brooklyn,

Upon whom our dollar bills do rain.

May your will be done.

And new light come.

From broadcasts that are wooden.

Give us our bi-monthly mags.

And forgive us for trespassing,

Into our neighbors yards.

May they be busy,

Or better yet - not at all home.

So that we can get to Starbucks,

But keep counting time.

Forever and ever.

Your company Men

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YOU MIGHT BE A J.W.

by brandnew in

jw
friends

if getting ready means putting on a suit........ you might be a j.w.. if going out to the field has nothing to do with grass, baseball diamonds, or football ......... you might be a j.w.. please continue my friends.......i know ya got some.....; ).

Coded Logic

If you can go to an hour and a half meeting - and then five minutes later not be able to remember a single thing about that meeting - you might be a JW.

If you think "meeting attendance" is a synonym for "spirituality" - you might be a JW.

If you've ever been annoyed by someone taking longer than 5 seconds to find a scripture in the Bible - you might be a JW.

If you have no money saved at all and your retirement plan is to steal your rich neighbors house and have pet lions - you might be a JW.

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Article-Guilty verdict in man’s gay sex with teen. "He's a 14-year-old gay boy in the JW church, which does not believe in his lifestyle"

by AndersonsInfo in

for your information: .

appeal democrat - yuba city, california .

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/guilty-verdict-in-man-s-gay-sex-with-teen/article_81fab302-a394-11e4-8efb-f70ca786d50e.html.

Coded Logic

You link is not working. Do you have another one you can use?

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Serve Jehovah get everlasting life don't serve get everlasting death

by Brokeback Watchtower in

jehovah's personality is explosive with no guarantees he won't blow a head gasket and destroy your ass for some petty offense.. i know the jws claim jehovah always keeps his word and once you get to heaven or pass the final test you got guaranteed everlasting life.

but when we look in the bible jehovah seems to kill even his worshipers over trifles, so who is to say that someday he won't get pissed off and destroy the whole human race and start all over again?.

while i don't believe the bible or what the wt corporation teaches about jehovah personality, if what they say is true then i would much rather die than live an eternity under the whims of such a capricious jehovah.. the reward system the bible has promoted is really terrible and not to be grasped at..

Coded Logic

"Now Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took their respective firepans, and after putting fire in them, placed incense on it and offered strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded them. 2And fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD." Leviticus 10: 1-2

Nothing like burning people to death for trying to worship him. Sounds like a real nice guy.

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When did you realize evolution was true?

by Coded Logic in

) which person/source first made you reconsider your position on creationism?.

) how long a period of time did it take to fully convince you?.

) what books and videos did you read and watch?.

Coded Logic

Sadly there are plenty who are still too lazy/biased/afraid to study the evidence.

But if evolution were true it would be a Scientific Theory not a . . . err wait . . . hold on a second here. . .

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When did you realize evolution was true?

by Coded Logic in

) which person/source first made you reconsider your position on creationism?.

) how long a period of time did it take to fully convince you?.

) what books and videos did you read and watch?.

Coded Logic

1.) How old were you?

2.) Which person/source first made you reconsider your position on creationism?

3.) How long a period of time did it take to fully convince you?

4.) What books and videos did you read and watch?

5.) How much better do you think you understand biology is now vs. before?

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statisme

by gda in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhpkqzerm7g

Coded Logic

Government is not a religion. Though some religions are governments.

Governments are an emergent property of a complex social species. People who work together are better able to survive than people who don't work together. Within any community, it's in everyone's best interest to help each other out. And when there's a destructive element to that society it's in everyone's best interest to remove that destructive element.

People aren't "in" societies. People ARE societies.

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What person/persons/group is behind the rebranding of Jehovahs Witnesses

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

with the jw rebranding program in full swing, who do you think is behind all this?

i'm not certain the governing body came up with these ideas.

at least not the old guard which died off around 2009.. given the fairly recent articles in the kingdom ministry and watchtower about the dangers of the internet and having the latest gadget, this rebranding effort can't have been in the works for much more than three years.. the makeover is slick...very slick...and very clever.

Coded Logic

Wow, amazing how much the JW site and the Mormon site look alike. It would be really easy to confuse the two. Same color scheme and layout . . . and "bible based" BS. Mormons got the JWs one upped with the family search they can do for Genealogical and family history. Pretty slick I gotta say.

When I start a religion (to make gobs of money) I'll be sure to borrow that feature. Any one want to buy my new age woo?

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An anthropologist visits a JW community in Santa María Zapotitlán, Mexico

by OrphanCrow in

dr. jena barchas-lichtenstein is an anthropologist who received her doctorate through ucla.. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jena-barchas-lichtenstein/43/427/702.

in 2013, barchas-lichtenstein submitted the paper "when the dead are resurrected, how are we going to speak to them?

": jehovah's witnesses and the use of indigenous languages in the globalizing textual community as a partial submission for her doctoral dissertation..

Coded Logic

Fascinating read. Thanks for posting and providing quotes.